[00:00:42] [00:00:42] #minecraft - Sun Dec 10 00:00:42 2017 [00:00:42] --- [00:00:48] * Topic is ':Welcome to #minecraft | You must register to talk. /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER | Join #minecrafthelp for help! | Rules: If you feel like you're being a dick, thennnn... stop? ( http://minecraftirc.net/minecraft/rules/ ) | Summer Games Done Quick 2017 is not on! https://twitch.tv/gamesdonequick | McCain can still win! | E ai, EA?' [00:00:48] * Set by Eddie!~eddie@ctgypq1301w-lp140-01-76-68-249-160.dsl.bell.ca on Sat Nov 18 19:22:20 [00:10:03] * CopherNeue (~CopherNeu@cpc1-whit5-2-0-cust788.know.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:17:28] * jazzfiend (~jazzfiend@2600:1001:b01b:4032:3dd5:e98d:9980:c9d5) has joined #minecraft [00:24:33] * AzaToth (~azatoth@h87-96-232-219.cust.se.alltele.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:04:58] <vurtual> https://www.reddit.com/r/progun/comments/7ioasn/ fuck that news site is garbage [01:10:46] * Hikaru (~tm@static-50-43-28-102.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:12:58] * Hikaru (~tm@static-50-43-28-102.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net) has joined #minecraft [01:18:13] * woterinmymouf (~woterinmy@2601:245:4480:5d42:e438:220b:4155:4f67) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:33:09] * Frisk (~piotrex43@2a01:113f:41e1:7800:2733:59d9:ce87:ea84) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:48:55] * Alaura (~Alaura@2600:8804:5901:e200:a904:3759:789f:c88a) Quit (Ping timeout: 186 seconds) [02:03:11] * THERetroGamerNY (~THERetroG@pool-108-55-4-217.bflony.fios.verizon.net) has joined #minecraft [02:19:16] * THERetroGamerNY (~THERetroG@pool-108-55-4-217.bflony.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Be blessed!) [02:37:28] <vurtual> bildramer: https://youtu.be/bUNBpeUHKXQ [02:53:14] <@bildramer> so google used 736 petaflops to learn chess in 4 hours [02:54:09] <@bildramer> or 10.6 zettaflops [02:54:12] <@bildramer> er [02:54:21] <@bildramer> as in, operations [02:54:28] <@bildramer> not per second [02:54:47] <@bildramer> also, our best supercomputers are barely 100 petaflops [02:55:54] <vurtual> bildramer: dwarf fortress mod to breathe dioxygen dufluoride [03:02:42] * Menzador (~Menzador@mobile-166-172-62-49.mycingular.net) has joined #minecraft [03:08:36] * DarkNoddy (~mordi@ti0020a400-1713.bb.online.no) Quit () [03:09:34] * rcmaehl (~null@2607:fcc8:bf1b:7700:f08b:144:719a:f2b8) has joined #minecraft [03:19:39] * c233_ (~c233@164.40.203.166) has joined #minecraft [03:21:41] * xracecar (~xracecar@24-177-208-145.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:22:22] * c233 (~c233@164.40.200.60) Quit (Ping timeout: 198 seconds) [03:51:39] * KKT (~KKT@2605:a000:1327:402b:90df:b751:1290:675f) has joined #minecraft [03:52:46] <KKT> So why's nickelback hated so much? I mean, the songs aren't really bad or anything. Just standard rock stuff [03:53:17] <@bildramer> why is steamed hams exploding as a meme [03:53:26] <@bildramer> as of november at least [03:53:46] <@bildramer> KKT: men are always going to hate boy bands [03:53:48] <KKT> I haven't heard anything about that [03:54:05] <@bildramer> the reasons depend on your cynicism [03:54:32] <KKT> Are they a boy band? They're not pop, it's rock. And it's hard to find a rock group that isn't all guys [03:55:00] <@bildramer> degenerate art? competition on that ol' high school pussy? actual, genuine ear-cringing disgust? place your bets [03:55:23] <@bildramer> sad lame songs about being weak and whatnot [03:55:45] <KKT> Animals is a pretty fun song tbh [03:55:46] <@bildramer> if an emo would listen to it, it's a boy band, period [03:56:26] <KKT> I'm not a big fan I just don't get why there's a specific hatred for it [03:56:33] <KKT> It's extremely standard rock group [03:56:37] <KKT> Nothing special [03:57:10] <@bildramer> it's specifically popular [03:57:13] <@bildramer> hence popular to hate [03:57:40] <@bildramer> you can hate the kardashians, you can't hate d-listers because nobody will lend an ear to your bitching, no matter how rightful [03:57:45] <KKT> I mean I get get Justin Bieber. That's a one man boyband. It's extremely easy to see why he's hated [03:57:53] <KKT> but...Nickelback's just dang rock [03:57:58] <@bildramer> so instead of picking specific examples, argue against popular phenomena [03:58:05] <@bildramer> people actually hate bitching, you know [03:59:06] <@bildramer> "god damn you know this questionably childish webcomic has a poorly argued political opinion that I find detestable, let me tell you aaaaaall about it" [03:59:25] <KKT> Kardashians are similar to how I feel about royalty. I don't know why we pay attention to them so hard, and they're not that special even when you do pay attention [03:59:39] <@bildramer> vs. "those damn $outgroup, they can't make good arguments, I'm not going to mention what prompted this but it doesn't matter" [03:59:51] <@bildramer> it's also a good habit to have [04:00:00] <@bildramer> meta-arguments are usually closer to truth [04:00:08] <@bildramer> prevents hypocrisy too [04:00:26] <@bildramer> so, yeah [04:00:52] <@bildramer> exactly how you feel about the kardashians should transfer to actual politicians, all other celebrities, all celebrities notable for other things they did, many historical figures, etc. [04:01:02] <@bildramer> they're just pretty faces, they didn't actually do anything [04:01:33] <KKT> Politicians and celebrities can actually be linked to achievements. Kardashians just exist [04:01:35] <@bildramer> having nuanced opinions on them is their entire purpose and their vector [04:01:39] <KKT> Same as royalty most of the time [04:01:44] <@bildramer> no they can't [04:01:51] <@bildramer> their underlings can, sometimes, rarely [04:02:10] <@bildramer> if you can extract their actions from noise it's one of those once-in-a-century people [04:02:28] <KKT> A politician represents you, they deserve attention and respect/disdain [04:02:47] <@bildramer> would a different guy in their place have done the same? when you can't tell that about fucking newton, why do you think you can tell about some minor critter in some town who did jack shit [04:03:43] <KKT> You can be worthy of somebody's attention without being legendary [04:03:57] <@bildramer> "X led the Y into conquering Z" is a great tale for the books, but is that a good framing for prediction? [04:04:35] <@bildramer> "economics allowed this particular invasion so it happened at this time, others didn't, this failed guy isn't even in school history books so he might as well be nonexistent" [04:05:04] <@bildramer> this should be the concept your mind jumps into, every single time you get "great men" ideas of history [04:05:40] <@bildramer> especially when it's about retards who are only notable for being "leaders" or "great politicians" or for "speeches" and "activism" and "style" and so on [04:06:11] <@bildramer> don't go too far though - it happens all the time that one man cuts through bullshit and gets groups to act coherently [04:06:31] <@bildramer> cults are the most obvious example, and corporations are cultlike to an extent [04:07:03] <@bildramer> "guy enters NASA, guy gets people to moon, guy leaves NASA, NASA dies" [04:07:20] <@bildramer> or "guy sits down with paper and pen for a year and invents the math of the next two centuries" [04:08:06] <@bildramer> "guy manipulates politicians into sitting and doing nothing so as not to fuck up his plans, successfully gets a yes brexit vote" [04:09:53] <@bildramer> the key is - if it's a case where it would have happened anyway, perhaps only a bit differently and a bit earlier or later, then what's so special about the man? [04:10:51] <@bildramer> imagine there's a vote, but you pick the last 1000 voters and ascribe supernatural importance to them - same fallacy at play, the ordering is not significant but random [04:11:50] <@bildramer> you might have heard that in science many things aren't named after the real original discoverers, but the "original" ones - popular mostly [04:12:24] <@bildramer> that's because of systemic factors, i.e. discoveries that are only later discovered to be groundbreaking tend to sit in the dust like the usual scientific papers [04:12:47] <@bildramer> or simple failure to communicate, like soviet union vs. usa, or secrecy, like in cryptography [04:13:05] <@bildramer> or, the cutest, when it's something so simple a child could do it, and people don't realize it's not new [04:16:04] * Risugami (~risugami@104-182-88-52.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 383 seconds) [04:17:52] * Drool (~drool@host81-147-71-158.range81-147.btcentralplus.com) has joined #minecraft [04:20:48] * Risugami (~risugami@104-182-88-52.lightspeed.brhmal.sbcglobal.net) has joined #minecraft [05:22:17] * xracecar (~xracecar@24-177-208-145.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) has joined #minecraft [05:25:58] * xracecar (~xracecar@24-177-208-145.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 198 seconds) [05:36:25] * woterinmymouf (~woterinmy@c-73-111-120-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #minecraft [05:39:06] * woterinmymouf (~woterinmy@c-73-111-120-165.hsd1.il.comcast.net) Quit (Client Quit) [05:46:37] * rcmaehl (~null@2607:fcc8:bf1b:7700:f08b:144:719a:f2b8) Quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:28:46] * PosiBolt (~PosiBolt@ip-89-240-239-173.midwest.us.northamericancoax.com) has joined #minecraft [06:28:46] * PositronBolt (~PosiBolt@ip-89-240-239-173.midwest.us.northamericancoax.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:41:24] * Menzador (~Menzador@mobile-166-172-62-49.mycingular.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 207 seconds) [06:52:56] * Menzador (~Menzador@mobile-166-172-62-49.mycingular.net) has joined #minecraft [06:55:54] * Brokkoli (~Brokkoli@p2E5B1B3F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:19:22] <KKT> You know, competitive pokemon is basically a card game. Which kinda eliminates the point of Pokemon having a card game. It's the same general idea where half the game is in team building and luck [07:20:14] <KKT> Except unlike a card game you aren't relying entirely on luck to win, and can minimize luck far more than say, yugioh. So I think it's better. Too bad modern competitive pokemon is way inferior to gen 4 and 5 [07:20:31] <tacocat> odj when i think of that i think about suicide [07:22:16] <KKT> Pokemon focused too much on appealing to a wide audience than refining what they had and focusing on balance. Gen 5 was basically entirely uninspired wastes of pokemon, it was a bad remake of gen 1 [07:23:41] <KKT> What I'd like them to do is make an MMO pokemon, start with the original 150, and very slowly introduce new ones, brand new ones, with none of them existing to be filler, and then introduce fan favorites. Make them rare and wanted [07:25:13] <KKT> Hell, it'd be cool if a pokemon like Mew was as so rare only one or two people had one in the entire world. Have a currency and you now have an economy of trading rare and powerful pokemon [07:26:30] <KKT> Like, catching pokemon was almost like bitcoin. The rates of capture decrease based on how many exist in the world, and get reintroduced if an account gets banned or deleted [07:28:29] <KKT> Find a mew? 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