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[00:00:05] #computercraft - Tue Aug 22 00:00:05 2017
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[00:00:07] * Topic is ':ComputerCraft: http://www.computercraft.info/ | Latest official version is 1.79 for Minecraft 1.8.9 | Source code available at https://github.com/dan200/ComputerCraft/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask your question!'
[00:00:07] * Set by Cruor!Cruor@satomi.openshell.no on Tue Jul 11 19:29:56
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[09:08:34] <brad> hello
[09:08:48] <LordRyan> \o
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[09:45:15] <Danny> LordRyan: o/
[09:45:28] <LordRyan> \o to you too Danny
[09:45:34] <Danny> Thanks :)
[09:45:42] <LordRyan> how's life?
[09:45:58] <Danny> The usual, work is busy :(, yourself?
[09:47:17] <LordRyan> nothing significant i guess
[09:47:39] <LordRyan> life is a bit suck-y as usual :P
[09:47:57] <LordRyan> debating moving from IRC to Matrix because I'm not really happy with what direction IRCv3WG is moving in
[09:48:16] <Danny> What is Matrix? and oooo send me the spec
[09:48:24] <Danny> or a link to it anyway
[09:48:30] <LordRyan> 'the spec' ?
[09:48:37] <Danny> IRCv3WG?
[09:48:40] <Danny> As in what is changing
[09:48:44] <LordRyan> and Matrix is kinda like federated decentralized IRC.
[09:48:46] <LordRyan> oh
[09:48:53] <LordRyan> http://ircv3.net
[09:48:53] <Danny> Hmm
[09:48:56] <LordRyan> basically
[09:49:01] <LordRyan> take every feature from every other chat service
[09:49:08] <LordRyan> and shove it into the unstable foundation that is IRC
[09:49:17] <Danny> LordRyan: As usual
[09:49:25] <LordRyan> which i'd be fine with
[09:49:29] <LordRyan> if the protocol didn't suck
[09:49:48] <Danny> Hmmmm
[09:50:27] <LordRyan> the protocol as of right now is basically based on a bunch of "words" being sent to/from the client/server, requiring a lot of guesswork.
[09:50:32] <LordRyan> it's unstructured and you never know what to expect.
[09:50:47] <Danny> Yes I see, I cant see how this would be good?
[09:51:19] <Danny> LordRyan: Want to work on IRC2.better hahaha
[09:51:38] <Danny> Would be interesting to work on a new protocol and implement that..
[09:51:40] * Danny is wondering
[09:51:41] <LordRyan> no
[09:51:46] <LordRyan> if you want to work on anything
[09:51:48] <LordRyan> work on Matrix
[09:52:00] <Danny> Hmm will look at it, looks a bit slack/discord like
[09:52:37] <LordRyan> yea i guess that can be used to describe it
[09:52:43] <LordRyan> decentralized, federated, open-source Slack
[09:52:45] <LordRyan> :P
[09:52:48] <Danny> Literally haha
[09:52:59] <Danny> Hmmmm, I guess that isn't too bad tbh
[09:54:02] <LordRyan> it's like what IRCv3 wanted to be, except with an actual foundation and the ability to link up homeservers
[09:54:36] <Danny> Ahh interesting, IRC should learn some stuff I think...
[09:54:55] <LordRyan> unfortunately, they don't want to
[09:54:57] <Danny> How simple is it to run a server?
[09:55:02] <LordRyan> dunno
[09:55:02] <Danny> for Matrix?
[09:55:04] <LordRyan> seems pretty simple
[09:55:14] <LordRyan> the reference implementation is called "Synapse" and looks to be written in Python
[09:55:19] <LordRyan> so if you can get virtualenv working it should be quite easy
[09:55:26] <Danny> Hmmm have a look for me and see how simple it is, I might host one... and have a play
[09:55:42] <Danny> Maybe we can run EsperNet-Matrix edition
[09:55:44] <Danny> hahaha
[09:55:53] <LordRyan> i'm actually interested in hosting my own for a company i "work" for
[09:56:22] <Danny> Yes well we are moving to something a little more suited, but I think if I host a public one, we can see how well it works etc
[09:56:37] <Danny> Mess with it, does it have like chanserv bots and things? or how does it manage accounts, channels and more?
[09:56:49] <LordRyan> accounts are integrated directly into the protocol
[09:56:57] <Danny> Hmmmm
[09:57:01] <LordRyan> something IRCv3 has been working on for quite a while (and yet *still* doesn't have)
[09:57:07] <Danny> Is there any bot libraries built for it?
[09:57:10] <LordRyan> channels are pretty much equivalent to IRC
[09:57:12] <Danny> In Java, or NodeJS?
[09:57:16] <LordRyan> they even have '#' in front of the name.
[09:57:18] <LordRyan> I dunno
[09:57:21] <LordRyan> I've literally never used it
[09:57:21] <Danny> Hmmmmm
[09:57:35] <Danny> http://ejml.org/
[09:57:38] <Danny> Java is sorted
[09:57:45] <Danny> haha
[09:58:06] <Danny> Fucking forgot Matrix is a maths term, I am not gonna find what I want haha
[09:58:23] <Danny> Oh wait
[09:58:24] <Danny> https://matrix.org/docs/projects/sdk/matrix-sync-java-sdk.html
[09:59:49] <Danny> Hmm they have a JS sdk for it as well LordRyan
[09:59:52] <Danny> This could be useful...
[10:00:02] <LordRyan> i might build something with lua-http
[10:00:07] <LordRyan> i wonder if there's a non-HTTP interface
[10:00:14] <LordRyan> because unless it's HTTP/2.0, streaming it is going to be awful
[10:02:35] <Danny> Hmm yeah, I wouldn't even bother with Lua xD
[10:02:47] <LordRyan> my life is lua
[10:02:49] <Danny> I was going to build a mod for MC to bridge chat
[10:02:49] <LordRyan> lua is my life
[10:03:04] <Danny> Yeah see Lua is 'okay' but a little too restrictive
[10:03:18] <LordRyan> how so?
[10:03:23] <Danny> Well CC lua
[10:03:34] <Danny> Sockets is my main issue
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[10:03:55] <LordRyan> oh
[10:03:57] <LordRyan> CC lua
[10:03:57] <Danny> As well as CC can't really offer much, because of it's small screen size
[10:03:59] <LordRyan> :I
[10:04:08] <LordRyan> see, I write this thing called PUC-Rio Lua
[10:04:09] <Danny> Yes, normal Lua is okay, but I only really use it C applications
[10:04:11] <LordRyan> you should try it sometime
[10:04:13] <LordRyan> it's a godsend :D
[10:04:28] <Danny> LordRyan: I got this: http://www.puc-rio.br/english/
[10:04:50] <LordRyan> try this: https://lua.org
[10:05:29] <Danny> You mean normal Lua?
[10:05:30] <Danny> xD
[10:05:35] <LordRyan> yes :P
[10:05:45] <LordRyan> the reference implementation is called PUC-Rio Lua.
[10:05:50] <Danny> Ahh I see
[10:06:15] <Danny> Learn something new everyday
[10:06:38] <LordRyan> Lua 5.3.1  Copyright (C) 1994-2015 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
[10:06:56] <Danny> Yes yes I get it
[10:25:40] <+Vexatos> LordRyan, not using 5.3.4?
[10:25:43] <+Vexatos> Disgusting!
[10:26:06] <LordRyan> Vexatos: i'm not sure whether i should mention why I'm only on 5.3.1 or not
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[10:26:29] <+Vexatos> Danny, for reference: PUC-Rio stands for Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro, the uni where Roberto Ierusalimschy is professor
[10:26:42] <+Vexatos> (the guy who makes Lua)
[10:27:24] <+Vexatos> LordRyan, because you're on an ubuntu-based system? :P
[10:27:30] <LordRyan> ...
[10:27:32] <LordRyan> yes :(
[10:27:42] <+Vexatos> Because your package manager won't have updated then
[10:27:49] <+Vexatos> I built 5.3.4 myself >_>
[10:27:57] <LordRyan> i normally run Arch
[10:28:04] <LordRyan> but
[10:28:07] <LordRyan> i'm on a Chromebook :(
[10:28:13] <+Vexatos> Linux Mint masterrace :I
[10:28:19] <LordRyan> Arch tho
[10:28:27] <Danny> eew
[10:28:34] <Danny> Arch > Mint
[10:28:35] <+Vexatos> Arch is the second best OS, don't worry
[10:28:47] <LordRyan> i tried Mint once
[10:28:50] <+Vexatos> and definitely more up-to-date >_>
[10:29:06] <LordRyan> it was so filled with bloat it doesn't even compare to my mother anymore :P
[10:29:22] <+Vexatos> well, I am up-to-date on the programs I care about, but still >_>
[10:29:36] <Danny> I think Mint is kinda ugly
[10:29:47] <+Vexatos> there is no such thing as a distro being ugly
[10:29:54] <+Vexatos> that just means you didn't like the WM
[10:30:02] <+Vexatos> And mint supports four of those
[10:30:10] <+Vexatos> at least >_>
[10:30:21] <Danny> yeah but but, just idk has an ugly feel to it
[10:30:24] <Danny> Maybe it's just me
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[10:30:30] <LordRyan> oh man
[10:30:32] <LordRyan> four
[10:30:34] <LordRyan> so many
[10:30:40] <+Vexatos> Officially supported, that is
[10:30:47] <Danny> Calm down kids
[10:30:53] <LordRyan> no u
[10:30:56] <+Vexatos> I like Cinnamon, but there's also a KDE, MATE and xfce
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[10:31:05] <LordRyan> tfw i prefer GNOME if i3 isn't available
[10:31:07] <Danny> I always thought  it was Windows & Mac Vs Linux
[10:31:15] <+Vexatos> Cinnamon is GNOME-base
[10:31:17] <+Vexatos> based*
[10:31:23] <+Vexatos> and much prettier, in my opinion
[10:31:23] <Danny> Really it's vs every Ubuntu distro
[10:31:30] <+Vexatos> Ubuntu is shit :I
[10:31:53] <+Vexatos> Mint is the good parts of Ubuntu minus the bad parts, plus a pretty WM
[10:31:59] <LordRyan> personally i think Arch is the sanest system, but there's problems with every distro, Arch included
[10:32:00] <+Vexatos> that's why I like it
[10:32:11] <+Vexatos> arch is tedious to set up, mostly
[10:32:27] <+Vexatos> and bleeding-edge isn't always a good thing
[10:32:41] <Danny> I agree, Arch is very tedious to setup
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[10:32:55] <+Vexatos> Mint is nice because it's stable and "linux support" means Ubuntu support in 99% of cases, and that includes Mint
[10:33:10] <+Vexatos> the tradeoff is that you need to find the right places to get up-to-date software
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[10:33:45] <+Vexatos> Luckily, most places offer package archives for apt
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[10:34:27] <LordRyan> how is it hard to set up
[10:34:32] <LordRyan> maybe i've just set it up enough that it's easy
[10:38:14] <LordRyan> god some people are headache inducing
[10:38:42] <LordRyan> just got in an argument with someone because plugin X and plugin Y for vim have no unique features, yet plugin Z only takes advantage of plugin Y
[10:38:51] <LordRyan> so they're saying that because of that, obviously it's a feature of Y
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